"shop-teacher" (shop-teacher)
07/16/2018 at 18:22 • Filed to: My wallet is crying
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"shop-teacher" (shop-teacher)
07/16/2018 at 18:22 • Filed to: My wallet is crying | 3
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I started our kitchen remodel in earnest today. Check out the wall paper and flooring I found under/behind some of the crap ass cabinets.
I’m glad that someone in the very distant future will find this, when they pull the cabinets I built out of there.
They won't find the flooring. That's all getting ripped out.
Phyrxes once again has a wagon!
> shop-teacher
07/16/2018 at 18:28 |
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Its like a trip through time, in wall form.
Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
> shop-teacher
07/16/2018 at 18:32 |
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I think my last home had three layers of flooring dating all the way back to its original build in 1942.
Nibby
> shop-teacher
07/16/2018 at 18:33 |
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it’s kinda like trees, you can date the house by peeling away the layers
ttyymmnn
> shop-teacher
07/16/2018 at 18:39 |
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When we had our windows replaced, we found some very dark, old ugly country wallpaper behind the bright ugly country wallpaper that we put up with for way too long. Times and tastes change, but you would think that some things are ugly for eternity.
wafflesnfalafel
> shop-teacher
07/16/2018 at 18:40 |
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looks like my mother-in-law’s kitchen - she likes green
ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com
> shop-teacher
07/16/2018 at 18:46 |
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Is that peel-and-stick vinyl flooring (the top layer)?
Future next gen S2000 owner
> shop-teacher
07/16/2018 at 18:57 |
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Are you going to mess with future owners by writing a snark filled message on the wall? Something like why are you messing up my hard work?
Azrek
> Future next gen S2000 owner
07/16/2018 at 19:09 |
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shop-teacher
> Future next gen S2000 owner
07/16/2018 at 19:44 |
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That's a good idea!
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shop-teacher
> ttyymmnn
07/16/2018 at 19:45 |
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People are weird. Very very weird.
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shop-teacher
> Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
07/16/2018 at 19:45 |
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There are at least three layers. The house was originally built in 1925. Gonna start tearing them out tomorrow.
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shop-teacher
> ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com
07/16/2018 at 19:46 |
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Sure is! Hideous stick on vinyl, apparently applied by a drunken monkey.
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shop-teacher
> Phyrxes once again has a wagon!
07/16/2018 at 19:47 |
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Pretty much!
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shop-teacher
> wafflesnfalafel
07/16/2018 at 19:47 |
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I like green too, but DAYUM.
ranwhenparked
> shop-teacher
07/16/2018 at 20:26 |
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Looks like 1940s wallpaper - or later wallpaper sold to people with tastes stuck in the 1940s.
LOREM IPSUM
> shop-teacher
07/16/2018 at 20:28 |
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Careful. Lots of that old tile is asbestos.
You probably knew that, but I felt obligated to say something since not many people out there really have any idea.
Urambo Tauro
> LOREM IPSUM
07/16/2018 at 21:49 |
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Yeah, ACM tile isn’t as dangerous as the old pipe wrap, but it’s still worth being careful aroun d .
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Urambo Tauro
> Nibby
07/16/2018 at 21:50 |
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Houses are like ogres...
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shop-teacher
> ranwhenparked
07/16/2018 at 21:53 |
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I have found other evidence that a major renovation was done in the late 40's, so I suspect this wallpaper is from then.
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shop-teacher
> Urambo Tauro
07/16/2018 at 21:54 |
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Yep. They're usually ugly, too.
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shop-teacher
> LOREM IPSUM
07/16/2018 at 21:56 |
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I do, but I appreciate it nonetheless. I'll be peeling the layers carefully, but if I find that stuff, I'm just gonna stick the new floor on top of it. That's what I did on the second floor.
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LOREM IPSUM
> Urambo Tauro
07/16/2018 at 22:02 |
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N95 dustmask is probably advisable, as well as dusting off outside before removing the mask to minimize the chances of inhaling particulate. Maybe a Tyvex jump suit, if you’re a masochist who loves to sweat a nd really fear the mesolthelioma. Would you agree?
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ranwhenparked
> ttyymmnn
07/16/2018 at 22:03 |
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Good taste took a vacation for a period of time from ca. the late ‘60s to ca. the early ‘80s. Generally speaking, there’s always exceptions.
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LOREM IPSUM
> shop-teacher
07/16/2018 at 22:07 |
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I figured you did. Just looking out for a fellow Oppo.
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Urambo Tauro
> LOREM IPSUM
07/16/2018 at 22:12 |
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What? No, N95s don’t filter asbestos. Even if they could, they don’t provide a good seal against your face. And you definitely do NOT go dusting the surface off first, at least not with a broom or anything less than a HEPA vac. To keep from stirring fibers into the air, you w
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spray the tile down with a surfactant, or water at the very least.
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shop-teacher
> LOREM IPSUM
07/16/2018 at 22:21 |
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That's just another example of why this place is the best :)
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LOREM IPSUM
> Urambo Tauro
07/16/2018 at 22:56 |
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I was suggesting that vs raw dogging it altogether, but surprised a basic n95 wouldn’t provide at least some protection for such a job. I was under the, perhaps false, understanding that it’s the barbed shape nature of the asbestos which prevents the cilia from being able to epel the fiber from the lungs, thus causing cancer. Particle size didn’t much occur to me, but I’m clearly not an expert on the matter whatsoever. Aside from wetting everything down and keeping it wet, which would keep most of the fine particulate down, what PPE would you suggest as he use for the job as a layperson?
I also kinda figured making sure he’s outside in a fresh air environment as opposed to in an enclosed space with no airflow or filtering would be ideal when he cleans himself up, so he’s not covered in anything that he’d be inclined to inhale when the mask does finally come off, considering he’s probably not setup for decontam. Again, I’m obviously not on the pro level there, but as someone who’s been in that business what course would you suggest he take? Sacrificial clothes, carefully removed, bagged and tossed? Not trying to be contentious whatever, I’m genuinely interested for a pro stance. I’m asking for a friend.
Edit:
https ://www.mesothelioma.com/asbestos-exposure/products/dust-masks/
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Nibby
> Urambo Tauro
07/16/2018 at 23:01 |
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they make you cry?
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Urambo Tauro
> LOREM IPSUM
07/16/2018 at 23:33 |
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No worries. The legalities and other specifics vary by state, but I believe that PPE and the basic techniques still apply. We would control the work area by sealing off doorways and vents with plastic sheeting first, then set up an air scrubber (basically a HEPA filtered fan). Probably overkill, as tile removal doesn’t usually release a lot of fibers...
A half-face respirator (like the kind used in paint booths) equipped with disposable P100 filters would keep that shit out of our lungs, as long as our faces were shaven so that it could seal properly. We almost never needed Tyvek suits for tile jobs, which are typically pretty easy to avoid getting anything on our clothes anyway.
The tile was wet down before removal, and placed inside a 6mil bag, which went into a
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bag to ensure a good seal during handling. The work area was then cleaned with a HEPA vac, and if the mastic didn’t have to be removed too, then that was u
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LOREM IPSUM
> Urambo Tauro
07/16/2018 at 23:48 |
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Excellent information. I am glad I asked. You never know when it might come in handy.
MiniGTI - now with XJ6
> shop-teacher
07/17/2018 at 00:33 |
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My house had peel & stick vinyl tiles in the kitchen. They weren’t horrible, but the entire grid was about half a degree crooked. It gave me vertigo every time my eyes tried to follow the bottom edge of the cabinets. Lookd like a damn Esch er drawing.
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shop-teacher
> Nibby
07/17/2018 at 08:20 |
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Sometimes!
Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> shop-teacher
07/17/2018 at 19:15 |
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https://oppositelock.kinja.com/doing-nice-work-is-a-lot-of-work-1827669523
fryguy
> shop-teacher
07/18/2018 at 11:43 |
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Sorry I haven’t been over to help. Sliced open a finger last weekend and took six stiches. Will be set for RallyMetro-ing this Sunday at???? A.M.
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shop-teacher
> fryguy
07/18/2018 at 13:29 |
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Ouch!
Yes we are. Wheels up at 7am Sunday.
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> shop-teacher
07/18/2018 at 19:52 |
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I don’t know if you saw this post , but I now realize that the rally wheels on Rusty need to be GM Medium Blue.
This is not GM Medium Blue, but just sayin’. And this also helps me reach that conclusion:
From my new and current ‘76 Eldorado obsession, it seems that the blue hub caps would be quite rare, but I think I already said this to you.
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> shop-teacher
07/18/2018 at 19:53 |
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Rally Metro? Do tell.
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shop-teacher
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/18/2018 at 22:45 |
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Mmmmmm, that would be nice!
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shop-teacher
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/18/2018 at 22:55 |
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The ‘98 Chevy Metro I bought from XJDano for $140 almost two years ago now. I’ve been rallycrossing it, and ran the Gambler500-Illinois in it ever since. It’s proven to be one tough sumbitch. Read all about my exploits here.
https://oppositelock.kinja.com/search?q=RallyMetro